they're concerned what happens to the pentagon under sequestration because it goes across the board, they can't kill one program, every department, every subset has to feel the pain and so they're cautious on this point, but really, when you talk to them and you get them to say. and give them a choice between what the president is pitching and done in an unpleasant way they'd still rather have the cuts. >> he talks about, stu, look, we can avoid the cuts if we come up with a balanced program and all i'm asking for from the republicans is reasonable tax reform. that's it. we'll close a couple of loopholes, only the rich will feel that and the republicans are so married to the rich that they can't even save the lives of human beings and the jobs of first responders because they're so opposed to tax reform and the journal has questions about his definition of tax reform. your thoughts on that. >> yes, he has changed what tax reform means. tax reform, to the republicans, up until the last election. tax reform was, lower tax rates. get rid of some deductions, raise more revenue for the tr